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Kaioken Question; Buu Saga
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POOHEAD189	Aug 30 2011, 09:20 PM Post #1
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	How high do you think Goku could take the Kaioken multiplier from his buu saga base form?
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lunar2	Aug 30 2011, 09:24 PM Post #2
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	KAAIIOOOKEEN.......... TIMES ZERO!!! goku hasn't practiced the technique in over a decade. he can't even use it anymore.
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+ Pelador	Aug 30 2011, 09:28 PM Post #3
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	I think that maybe instead of kaioken he just turns SSJ instead. In other words even if he wanted to use Kaioken, he'd just transform instead. A bit like Gohan activating his ultimate form.
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Kruegs Outlandish	Aug 30 2011, 09:31 PM Post #4
Posts: 2,526 Group: Duplicate Member #6,436 Joined: July 1, 2011	He can probably do KK*20 well enough now, probably as even as high as SSJ, but kk's no longer needed; the ssj state alters the body enough (mass, denser muscles) to maintain the high power output.



POOHEAD189	Aug 30 2011, 09:32 PM Post #5
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Doesnt matter if he would use it. Considering his power at this point, how high is the muliplier?
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* Yu Narukami	Aug 30 2011, 09:35 PM Post #6
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	I have two theories; 1. He would be able to use KK x20 and completely dominated 2. The Kaioken suffered a massive multiplier downgrade just like the SSJ transformation.



Mitchgrunge93	Aug 30 2011, 09:54 PM Post #7
Hero of Time Posts: 371 Group: Member Member #5,456 Joined: November 30, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Followed by a tie between Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hellsing	@Lunar: How do you KNOW he can't? Maybe he just doesn't because there isn't any need to. It seems like something you wouldn't forget, like riding a bike. Personally, I think he would be able to do like KKx20 like the others are saying.
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+ Clearin	Aug 30 2011, 09:59 PM Post #8
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I guess Kaioken x20, although he had a hard time using that last time and was never shown to master it. I think he could do Kaioken x10 easily though.



+ Steve	Aug 30 2011, 10:22 PM Post #9
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Yeah probably just the 20 Although his body would be used to having way more power than that so maybe not it would probably do more harm than good going past 20 though I still don't get why Krillin and the others never learnt it they could have been good imagine they had that against the androids and Cell
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~~Spirit~~	Aug 30 2011, 10:26 PM Post #10
So Lonely Posts: 1,435 Group: GTFO Member #6,401 Joined: June 24, 2011	My theory is the Toriyama decided to phase out Kaioken. Can't really think of anything else.
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SirParagon	Aug 30 2011, 11:18 PM Post #11
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Yeah, AT most likely just dropped Kaioken after SSJ was reached (all like 'oopsies I got carried away') due to the multiplier being so ludicrously high it would kill any sort of conflict/tension which in turn kills the story. Either that or the only character who could possibly stand up to any subsequent threat would be Goku What would it be? A x1000 base multiplier for SSJ1? oh-ho-ho-ho, Vegeta is ready to commit suicide. There, there. Edited by SirParagon, Aug 30 2011, 11:29 PM.
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+ Havoc_Wreaker	Aug 30 2011, 11:33 PM Post #12
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	i dont think he can go past 10x at all but there isn't any prove that makes this statement true or false so its just a matter of opinion



lunar2	Aug 31 2011, 01:11 AM Post #13
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	Mitchgrunge93 Aug 30 2011, 09:54 PM @Lunar: How do you KNOW he can't? Maybe he just doesn't because there isn't any need to. It seems like something you wouldn't forget, like riding a bike. Personally, I think he would be able to do like KKx20 like the others are saying. the reason i know he can't is because the kaioken requires perfection. to use the kaioken without potentially killing yourself, you have to have perfect control of a technique. goku hasn't used the kaioken in over 12 years. therefore, there is absolutely no way he has perfect control over the technique, so even a basic kaioken could kill him. the kaioken, because of the risks involved, could only practically be learned while dead, and the skill must be maintained, or it becomes too dangerous to use. if goku tries so much as a basic kaioken, he'd be on a quick trip back to king kais for a long class in "Why You Shouldn't Use Techniques You Are Rusty With".
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Kruegs Outlandish	Aug 31 2011, 02:11 AM Post #14
Posts: 2,526 Group: Duplicate Member #6,436 Joined: July 1, 2011	I believe he can use kaioken to a sufficiently high level, especially after Cell Saga RoSaT, but there's really no purpose for using it after attain SSJ states; SSJs are just more efficient for maintaining the increase in power. Base body max is base body max; the super saiyan body is just better. Even if Goku is used to fighting, and even living, as SSJ, his normal state body is not. So assume that Goku uses Kaioken * 50: his normal body is outputting 50 times as much as it's supposed; his ssj body's purpose is to output that much. SSJ body is going to sustain 50 * power a lot longer than Goku's normal body is. SSJ is better.



LSSJ Broly	Aug 31 2011, 02:12 AM Post #15
Posts: 5 Group: New Member Member #6,681 Joined: August 31, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball,Dragon Ball Z/GT,Naruto,Naruto Shipuuden,Death Note,Yu Gi Oh,Digimon What Browser do you use? Mozzila Firefox Favourite Manga Naruto Shippuden	He doesn't use the Kaio-Ken technique anymore because he can turn SSJ,which puts less strain on his body but gives him more power.Goku used Super Kaioken(Super Saiyan Kaioken) agianst Pikkon in Other World Tournament.That measures up to 100x Kaioken,maybe more.It was quite powerful(he slammed Pikkon into the nearby Moon),but put too much strain on his body.He realised it and didn't used it afterwards.That's my theory.Imagine what strain it would put on his body if he went Kaio-Ken x20 while SSJ3.He would pop like a baloon.



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